The discussion of taking women seriously has spread to multiple fronts by now, and it would be futile to try to summarize all of them, so let's just get to the basic point: are women taken less seriously than men, and why? Relatedly, why does blogging about shoes detract from perceptions of a woman's seriousness, and is that bad?
I think it makes sense to make a distinction here between the seriousness with which the public takes an authority of some sort (of either gender)--writer, journalist, politician, academic, scientist--and the seriousness with which people take a blogger. Blogging lends itself to a sort of work-in-progress, jeans-and-sneakers ethic. Few people can be consistently brilliant five times a day (or, um, twice a week, in my case), and there is more casualness and give and take. So let's bracket serious blogging for now, and just focus on perceptions of women's seriousness in general.
Perhaps we can work backwards from examples. Some women who, based on my knowledge of them, exhibit(ed) gravitas: Hannah Arendt, Condoleezza Rice, Elizabeth I, Eleanor Roosevelt(?), Jane Addams, Hanna Gray, some other professors I've had whom no one has heard of. (Feel free to offer more examples.) Some women who should have it, or almost do, but ultimately fall short: Martha Nussbaum, Hillary Clinton, some other professors I've had who aren't the ones that do have it. Some women who can never have it: Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Julia Allison...you get the idea.
We might say the first two groups have competence and intelligence in common (put aside your ideas about HRC's political abilities for a second and just imagine that she probably would've been a fine lawyer), but that this is somehow insufficient to move the second group into the first. Even Julia Allison might be an ok writer, but who knows or cares at this point? What the first group has that the second doesn't is a firm habit of keeping their private lives out of their public work. What has happened to the second group is that the scandals of their personal lives have become widespread public knowledge, either by their own doing or someone else's, or they are publicly vain. What the third group does is live outrageous personal lives for the public's gratification
The case of Elizabeth I might seem like the weirdest here, but it's actually the clearest example of these boundaries. In a monarchy, there is no private sphere for a monarch, and in fact, Elizabeth I lived up to that exacting standard by having almost no private life. In our situation, such extremes are unnecessary, but you might want to avoid the obvious personal pitfalls that will inevitably become public (and sometimes they're not your fault but you're still screwed) as well as publicizing your personal pitfalls. Dignity is fussy word, but it pretty much encapsulates the standard here--would announcing this about yourself be dignified? If not, then tell it to your friends and keep it out of your work. The less you reveal about your personal life, the less that your future detractors will have to use against you, and they might actually have to settle for taking on your arguments instead of your reputation.
There might be certain pitfalls to this approach; HRC, for example, seems to have tried it on occasion and been criticized as too "cold" or unfeminine. Well, let me point out that making herself sexually unavailable to men seem to enhance a woman's gravitas pretty reliably. One of the above examplars of gravitas was a lesbian, one was possibly a lesbian but almost certainly not having sex with her husband, two were never married. But there are options. Hannah Arendt, as far as I know, had a pretty exciting heterosexual love life without much cost to her dignity.
Finally, as far as the idea that femininity is incompatible with seriousness is concerned, let us take as our points of comparison Ally McBeal and The Wire's Rhonda Pearlman. Ally McBeal is a ditzy, neurotic idiot. This is supposed to be amusingly but sympathetically feminine, in the same vein as Grace on Will and Grace, or pretty much all the women on Friends. Rhonda Pearlman is competent, smart, and effective--in sum, serious--and also completely sympathetic. Whereas Ally McBeal was having breakdowns in the office, The Wire kept Rhonda Pearlman's private life out of her public work, and allowed the viewer to glimpse both. Granted, The Wire did not aim for laughs, where it was this bleeding of life into work that made Ally McBeal funny (to some people; I was 14 and utterly confused by it), but the point stands.
It is worth pointing out that this standard applies no less to men. Confidence, modesty, circumspection, and not sleeping with other people's spouses help male public intellectuals stay in business too. Do we cut men more slack in this regard though? I think Amber is probably right that women feel compelled to acquire more credentials in order to project confidence, although it's unclear if that's a result of social expectations or their own insecurities. And according to our standards of modesty, many unbearably pompous, self-absorbed men remain highly regarded while equally vain women are called out for it. But that doesn't mean we should be easier on vain or unqualified women; only that we should be harder on pompous and unqualified men.
So then, how do we account for these situations? As far as I can tell, Megan McArdle is no less serious a blogger (insofar as one can be a serious blogger) than, say, Ezra Klein, who blogs on many of the same topics. But most people do not speculate about what size his pants are and whether he can get a date in his comments section. I think it's fair to say that these are examples of men behaving badly. But given that women blogging about economics and health care might face a stiffer acceptance curve, there are some things she should probably avoid, like ever discussing her love life, her clothes, her kitchen. Basically, anything required for survival--food, clothes, shelter--and anything of the home should stay there. Also, she shouldn't respond to her commenters personally. There's nothing wrong with being aloof when your blog gets 100 comments a day.
Finally, shoe-blogging. Why is it bad, and why do men get away with being as irrationally obsessed with sports as women are with shoes? The obvious problem is that, if you want to be taken seriously, you should not speak publicly about frivolous things. Shoes fall into this category. (Professional sports do too.) But if you do insist on blogging about shoes, there is also an explanation for why you will be dismissed or belittled more quickly than men who blog about sports (except by the shoe and sports communities, respectively). Fashion is closely tied to bodies and love lives, and all the other subjects that are inappropriate for public discussion. Blogging about fashion usually means blogging about your fashion--it indirectly reveals things about your body, your income, your friends--in sum, your private life. And when the snipers come out, it makes some sense that they'll take aim not at the shoes, but at you, since you have armed them with all the relevant information and personal insults hurt more. Sports is more removed from personal scrutiny; calling a player a good pitcher doesn't implicate your own pitching ability or lack thereof. That said, as Cheryl points out, Virginia Postrel writes about style in such an impersonal, broad, and relevant way that it never undermines her seriousness. So it can be done.
And yes, I am aware that I take none of my own advice. I have had a blog since I was sixteen, when I spent all my time slandering people I disliked. It's hard to develop seriousness out of such inauspicious beginnings. But at least I have stopped incorporating errant instances of the word "like" into my writing. Maybe someday, I'll stop saying it too.
In conclusion, the secret for women to being taken seriously is to imitate Hannah Arendt, and wear suits as often as possible. I always take women in suits seriously.
Thursday, March 27, 2008
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I am not sure about most men--or bloggers--or men who blog, but anyone who reads blogs and complains about self-indulgence of any type should get a new hobby.
Blogging is the ultimate celebration of our inherent narcissism and provides an outlet for solipsism that would otherwise spill over into one's personal interactions. Whether one is writing about politics, religion, love, academe or footwear, the message of each blogger is the same: dig me and my slant on life.
Take one of those shoes and kick your critics in the ass, Rita.
Whether a woman belongs in category 1 or 2 is a matter of taste. Many people would put Condoleeza squarely in group 2: "Saddam is a bad man!," and the "Mushroom Cloud" remark were only late indications that she is a lightweight. Anybody with a connection to Stanford knew that a long time ago.
As for sex: you're right that widespread knowledge of affairs didn't affect Arendt's reputation negatively; but we also have the political example of the same phenomenon with Catherine the Great.
I don't think you've really gotten to the heart of the matter.
Is it possible to write a successful blog that way? The style you suggest sounds like the Posner/Epstein blog in a skirt: dry, meticulous, and deeply, deeply boring. Can women have a lighter style and still be taken seriously? Maybe Sandra Tsing Loh at the Atlantic--but she doesn't really blog.
Also re: Nussbaum. The public affairs haven't hurt Sunstein too much.
Also to your list I add Cynthia Ozick and Brooke Allen.
Isn't the problem that seriousness is defined as masculinity? Take the humanities--has the field gotten less serious now that it's female-dominated, or does the fact that there are all these female grad students and (to a lesser extent) profs make people take the field less seriously?
So, if I want to be taken seriously, I can't write about sex, or shoes, or kittens (or soccer, apparently)? And I have to wear a suit?
I object to these rules. In fact, it seems to me that the best way to get respect is to forget all the rules and just be awesome, a la Arendt, or Elizabeth I. They didn't write about shoes, but hey, times have changed.
mgc: Personal blogging is certainly a narcissist convention, but institutional blogs like the Atlantic's are a little different. They reflect the institution at least as much as the personality of the blogger, and the blogger gets his legitimacy from the institution. Given this, I think there is room for more seriousness--at least to the level of the newspaper column. (And don't friends exist for the purpose of absorbing your personal weirdness? If you channel all your narcissism and personal hang-ups into your blog, what is left for he intimacy you have w/ friends?
Anonymous: The distinction is hard to universalize for living politicians, whose merits are subject to much debate, but if it's just a matter of taste, then I'm sure you could find some of Catherine the Great's contemporary detractors to show that not everyone took her seriously at the time. What is the heart of the matter?
Cheryl: Maybe. Your prose can still have style without having to be all about you and your bad date last night. (I accept your list additions.)
Phoebe: Maybe, but not necessarily. I think the idea that the humanities are unserious is 1) not as widespread as you take it to be, except among people who think that basically all book larnin' is useless, and 2) largely a product of a worldview in which truth means scientific data, and everything else is opinion. By this standard, female scientists are more serious than male humanists.
Julia: Does this thwart your ambitions of becoming a cat journalist? You just shouldn't write about these things publicly, which isn't that extreme a suggestion. Think of having a colleague who spends all day talking about shoes and sex at work. Would you take this person seriously? (In fact, I believe we once had a colleague like this, who complained loudly about her personal life all day. We did not respect her, as I recall.) But if your friends talk about these things, that's normal because friends are for discussing your private life. And blogs are somewhere in between.
That's probably right, that a female scientist is taken more seriously than a male humanist. But... isn't this again just because a man in humanities is seen as feminine and a woman in the sciences as masculine? Which came first, the gendered divide that equates the humanities with women and gay men, and the sciences (like sports) with straight men and lesbians; or the move towards valuing numbers over letters?
I would argue that the numbers over letters began with Francis Bacon.
If we say that Descartes originated our understanding that truth is mathematically demonstrable and replicable under laboratory conditions, then that break occurred long before there were any women in the humanities at all. But there have been many important developments in our conception of science since then, so maybe you could find something explicitly gendered occurring later on.
I still contend it was Bacon, but nevertheless either was long before women in humanities.
Cat journalism! Why not? Alex should look into that.
I agree that writing or discussing your private life in public forums disqualifies you as a serious person. I wasn't objecting to that, I was objecting to the idea that women who wish to be taken seriously should avoid 'girly' topics. I think there is a way to write about shoes, or sex, or any other 'girly' thing, seriously, and without objectifying yourself.
I'm not saying you'll win a Pulitzer prize for it, but it shouldn't disqualify you for one, either.
No that's true, hence the example of Virginia Postrel.
The term "institutional blogs" strikes me as a bit oxymoronic (although some are just moronic). A corporate-sanctioned blog is just an Internet column, no different from any opinionated musings in a magazine or newspaper.
As for your comment about friends and their absorption of one's narcissism and peccadilloes, it operates on the assumption that one, in fact, has said friends.
Part of the point about some men's obsession with sports is the comical lack of proportion in it. I once walked in on a friend who was vehemently rooting against the Cowboys in an exhibition game. I asked him why he cared if the Cowboys lost given that it was still the preseason. He responded that if Satan came to earth with a football team to play against the Cowboys and if the Cowboys won, the game wouldn't count, but if the Cowboys lost, it would mean that Satan took all human beings to Hell, he'd be out there with a foam finger saying "Go, Satan."
The contempt for humanities (such as it is) was certainly a live issue by the Enlightenment. David Hume famously wrote, "If we take into our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Consign it then to the flames: For it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." This consigns most of the humanities (except lists of facts) to the flames.
More importantly, the idea that humanities is less serious than math and science is almost surely because of the great success that applied science and engineering has had in changing the world. The view comes about because the humanities is viewed as impractical, essentially just wheel-spinning. I'm guessing most people who hold this view also have no use for pure mathematics, the Queen of Science, if it's any consolation.
Is Camille Paglia a "serious" person? She writes about shoes and sex.
Phoebe:
While I think the idea of the humanities (or any soft subject) being labeled as pejoratively feminine is true to a degree, I really do not believe it is the largest factor accounting for female scientists being taken more seriously than the male humanist. Indeed, there are plenty of male humanists / social scientists of the very “manly” sort - Nathan Tarcov, Noam Chomsky, Harvey Mansfield, and Richard Dawkins all come immediately to mind. They are stereotypically male professors, full of themselves and their ideas to the highest degree possible (a very male criterion) while still remaining within the bounds of elite academia. Yet, no one takes their work as seriously as that of intellectual figures like Milton Friedman or Eric Schmidt. It is not just rigor that the humanities so frequently lacks, it is also the shortage of utilitarian value in a largely business centric world.
Dawkins, in fact, is a biologist. He just plays a humanist on TV.
Cheryl: I don't know. I haven't read her.
Hum III: Tarcov is pretty unassuming as far as professors go. I'm not sure what he has in common w/ Noam Chomsky. Also, it's not clear what you mean that no one takes them as seriously as they take Milton Friedman. I assume people who take Chomsky seriously don't take Friedman very seriously.
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