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Tuesday, August 02, 2011

The moralism of self-improvement: grad school edition

Just as crappy YA lit is defended on the grounds that reading anything is by definition better than not-reading, there emerges in discussions about the wisdom of going to grad school a similarly lopsided proposition: Grad school (specifically, the funded PhD program) is a choice, an investment of time and labor, with a highly uncertain outcome. Nonetheless, no matter what its outcome, there can be no justifiable grounds for regretting it. If you don't get an academic job afterwards, or a job that makes use of your PhD in any way, that's no reason to be upset. After all, you had the rare opportunity to spend several years in the uninhibited contemplation of ideas that interest you, and you ought to be grateful for that alone, regardless of where it gets you in worldly terms. The one exception to this seems to be cases of subsequent unpayable debt, which is legitimate ground for regret apparently only because it's a quantifiable loss. The sacrifice of time or opportunities to do other things is either insignificant (what's seven years if you live to 90?) or merely hypothetical (who knows if you would've had opportunities anyway?), and so negligible in the accounting of regret.

Sure, there is an ostensible purpose, a purported end to grad school, which is qualification for the professoriate or for some other employment requiring a PhD, but grad school apparently also offers the soul-expanding intrinsic benefits of study, learning, the pursuit of the beautiful and the true, living "the life of the mind"--and any negative impacts of the process had better be quite substantial if they can hope to outweigh the value we accord to these ineffable goods. And with this turn in the argument, the responsibility of grad programs for pumping out far more PhDs than they can employ effectively evaporates. Employment is no longer required or expected, since the process itself becomes the end.

And just as the process of grad school is soul-expanding, the jobs otherwise available to would-be grad students are in proportion soul-crushing. Down there in the "real world," people are driven by economic necessity to perform tasks that no thinking person would choose for himself, like answering phones and filling out spreadsheets. But up here, we are free to set our own tasks for ourselves, to pursue our interests, which are inspirations that bubble up from within us and drive us forward (or in circles, as the case may be), rather than have tasks imposed by others in the service of their interests. Considered in this light, we may the only people in the whole world aside from retired billionaires who are so free. And even billionaires are worse off in a way, because they're only free from the necessity to labor, but they're not necessarily self-motivated to pursue the highest good--self-improvement through education--like we are. To be rich but without elevated "passions"--such a pity.



I suspect that it's precisely because many academics largely can't defend the significance of the discrete things they study that they moralize about the virtues of the process of studying. Grad school is educational. Education is good for you, like eating carrots. Even if you get nothing tangible out of it, you are a better person for it. Or, more specifically, I am a better person. You are a cog in the real world machine, laboring at your dull job and paying taxes to fund my graduate stipend. I am self-fulfilled because I pursue the interests I myself have generated. I chase my own tail! You, on the other hand, are stuck chasing someone else's tail even though you have no desire to catch it. So why wouldn't you want to be me? The only thing you have to lose is money, but if you can qualify for some kind of funding, then you have absolutely nothing to lose.

The problem with this argument is that it's the argument for going to college and getting a liberal education, not for getting a PhD. College education is supposed to prepare you to improve yourself in all these edifying ways afterwards, not to become dependent on institutionalized education as the only setting where "the life of the mind" can be lived. Graduate education purports to be extremely narrow and technical, which we accept in light of its purpose to prepare professors, but when that fails, we rush to justify it in the broadest possible terms--it was self-improving. Once we do this though, we can no longer simultaneously justify the narrow, disciplinary training it actually offers since the point ought to be to study and learn whatever one wants, and not to be hemmed in by requirements like papers, dissertations, and teaching assignments. Or, if we want to claim that these requirements are actually useful for general intellectual growth, we ought to require them of college students as well. Moreover, how, if grad school is so self-improving, can we justify limiting access to graduate education so radically when the reason for it is the same as the reason for college education, which we encourage everyone over some threshold of cognitive capacity to pursue?

This logic makes going to grad school the best choice that anyone with a brain could ever make. It's a wonder these programs aren't even more competitive than they are, since only philistines and the cognitively-impaired should ever pass up the zero-liability self-enhancement opportunities they offer. Your cognitive impairments are at least not your own fault. But if you would simply prefer to make money by working than become a better person by learning for a few more years, something is clearly wrong with your moral compass. Who cares if you don't want to be a college teacher or do research for the rest of your life? Surely you have some kind of interest that could be satisfied by further study. If you value the right things, then surely you value learning for learning's sake, and that--even if nothing else--is what grad school offers. There will always be time later (when you don't get a tenure-track job) to re-join the real world and take up the burden of office drudgery by getting a job you were equally qualified for when you had only a BA.

Now, ok, this is an exaggeration of the sentiments expressed at Phoebe's blog. But I'm not sure that it's a misinterpretation of their assumptions. In particular, it's the selective deployment of both economic and romantic justifications that results in this kind of moralism. This mindset assumes both that the initial impetus for going to grad school is the lack of "intellectually fulfilling" jobs paying enough to feed you (the job market sucks!), but that, once you're actually in grad school, the economic motivation simply melts away and you value only learning for learning's sake. But love of learning for learning's sake in principle never ends, and yet, inexplicably, grad school does end. If no academic job materializes afterwards, however, you ought not to take this as a catastrophic foreclosure of your ability to continue pursuing your "passions," but rather, resign yourself to the intellectually inferior workaday grind you went to grad school to escape. But how can that be a reasonable expectation of someone who has just spent years learning to care only for intellectual fulfillment rather than economic reward? If PhD programs have no purpose aside from self-betterment, there is little logic behind their ending in five or seven years. They ought to be infinite.

I’m not denying that education's benefit is largely intangible, that to demand proportional financial returns on it is in some sense perverse. Education can be soul-expanding and mind-liberating and whatnot. Some educations, at least. But which ones? Does this include graduate education? We claim yes, but can't say why. The problem here is that that when this argument is used in self-defense, it's not really about what kind of education really is self-improving, but about how what I personally am doing is not a waste of time, contrary to all appearances. This is where we start to argue like YA lit authors who claim that, because some books are good, all reading must be good. When we don't know any longer in what way even the best books are good, we turn to claiming that they’re good for you.

To avoid this proposed monopoly of academia on all serious thought, I'm for holding grad programs to their original limited purpose: to train professors. If they can't deliver on this, they fail. If you don’t want to be a professor, don’t go. College can teach you to think and all that, but once that's done, you need no further institutional training. Assuming your undergrad education was successful, you should now know how to read and think on your own, without the imprimatur of a university. This, however, is not a profession, or a specialized thing you do at settled times for "self-improvement." Liberal education makes liberally educated people, not people who specialize in liberal education work, rather than business or consulting or law. Once we start positing all kind of indeterminate ends like intellectual fulfillment for grad school and conflating these ends with the purpose of all education in order to cut our losses, we are in even bigger trouble. There is no final satisfaction for something like intellectual fulfillment. If intellectual fulfillment is made into a full-time job, and the highest intellectual fulfillment is conflated with institutions of higher education, then every right-thinking person ought to aim for a life in academia, and any other job is a mark of moral and intellectual failure--you loved learning, but weren't smart enough for the best positions and need more learning (consider a JD/PhD, an MD/PhD, or a second PhD), or worse, you didn't love learning enough.

The life of the mind and all these other airy ideals are great. I am for them. I am just not for tying them to any institution or giving universities a monopoly on them. There is enough pressure on universities to host the entire world's life of the mind as it is, and universities are themselves imperialistically turning everything into an academic discipline (as anyone who has seen subway ads for implausible MA degrees knows)--young people (the pool of would-be grad students) should resist these incursions into cultural life, and figure out how to be thoughtful and serious on their own, without having to submit term papers about it. Sometimes you can live the life of the mind in universities, but very often, professors and grad students are less inspired than the editorial staff of a magazine that actually has something to say, or even just a group of friends who have really good conversations with one another after work. If we tip the balance so that universities become the only refuge for serious thought, we are probably doomed. So I’d suggest we start worrying when we find ourselves claiming that highly specialized acquisition of non-transferrable skills for seven years that issues in an abysmal rate of subsequent employment is an undertaking that can’t possibly have any drawbacks.

42 comments:

Paul Gowder said...

I think this is a smidge overstated, in several respects:

1) I take it that the arguments you're criticizing are addressed to those who actually want to go to grad school, but are worried about the economic implications. Nobody's saying that people who are perfectly happy in the real world should quit their jobs and go to grad school. So all this talk about "moralizing" seems to be misplaced. Those who think that grad school is a great choice for those who prefer doing the sorts of things one does in grad school need not think that other preferences make one a philistine.

2) Opportunity to think about interesting stuff =/= opportunity to get paid to think about interesting stuff, even if only in the form of grad school stipends.

3) Grad school as enriching experience isn't inconsistent with grad school as specialist training. At a minimum, this is so because universities tend to have immense resources available for free that would cost lots of money in the real world -- I've done things like lose a ton of weight in a world-class gym, take theatre and dance classes, etc. etc. without any visible loss to my research or the other specialized stuff.

4) w/r/t the "why should grad school ever end if it's so great" argument, I think many people would prefer that it never end. Those who seek professor jobs do so, I take it, in part because it's an opportunity to do the same sort of stuff.

Miss Self-Important said...

I take it that the arguments you're criticizing are addressed to those who actually want to go to grad school, but are worried about the economic implications.
I think Pannapacker's audience is more generally people who are considering grad school but don't know much about and are worried about lots of things--economics, personal life, job satisfaction, etc.

Nobody's saying that people who are perfectly happy in the real world should quit their jobs and go to grad school.
Who is perfectly happy? There are a lot of imperfectly happy people in the real world, and why shouldn't they go to grad school if they can? They can pursue interests and take dance classes, which is more difficult and certainly more expensive in their present situations.

Grad school as enriching experience isn't inconsistent with grad school as specialist training.
I think the weight loss might be more accurately considered incidental to grad school rather than a reason to go. You can lose weight anywhere, and be enriched by that experience. If anything, it's even more problematic to encourage people to think of the self-improvement possibilities of grad school as extending to all the services incident to major universities, because if you're telling people to go to grad school b/c it's where they can do everything fun that they've ever imagined, there's definitely no reason to stay home.

My question here is not, what are all the reasons to go to grad school? It's, are there any reasons not to? If you can't think of any reasons against it, does this seem problematic to you?

Miss Self-Important said...

Also, re: So all this talk about "moralizing" seems to be misplaced.
Think of it this way: The entire discussion is framed in terms of what grad school can do for you. This is what leads to the moralism--it's good for your mind/soul/BMI. How about we think instead about what you can do for it, or for your discipline? If you can't or don't want to do anything except absorb good feelings, is that a problem?

Withywindle said...

College can teach you to think and all that, but once that's done, you need no further institutional training.

Assuming the college is doing its job properly, which I generally think it isn't. See rants about illiterates with degrees.

Miss Self-Important said...

True, but grad school is definitely not the solution to that problem.

arethusa said...

And just as the process of grad school is soul-expanding, the jobs otherwise available to would-be grad students are in proportion soul-crushing.

When I hear anyone suggest this, I want to laugh. There is nothing so soul-crushing as being junior faculty, whether on a tenure-track, temporary, or adjunct contract. Yet those people are also expected to stick with the life of the mind, because, well, what better life is there? (I obviously think that there are much better types of life out there.) The treatment of the academic life as a vocation instead of a job hides many flaws, as you say.

It's not just those going to graduate school that need to think about these arguments, but also those in graduate school and in academia, at whatever stage. I do tend to think graduate school in the humanities and some of the social sciences is overrated; not so long ago, you didn't need a PhD to teach in an academic program, or even an MA - what you needed was talent and a high-quality intellect. Those aren't things that graduate school teaches. Likewise, some "professional" degrees don't seem necessary to me. Lawyers and doctors, OK, but do all teachers need a graduate degree in education?

Flavia said...

I don't think anyone who's been to grad school in the past two decades would say that every smart kid should go to grad school, or that everyone who winds up going should stay. The reaction against Pannapacker, as I see it, is simply against his assertion that grad school is obviously a waste of time if you don't get a job (which you won't! so don't go!) or independently wealthy (and even if you are, think twice!).

I don't know anyone who finished their Ph.D. but didn't get an academic job who (at least after the passage of a few years) actually considers that time or that training to have been a waste. That may just be the natural tendency of human beings to assimilate their experiences into a basically positive narrative where every life decision comes to seem inevitable, but I also think that those who stuck it out did so not because they expected they'd necessarily get a job, but because they were doing something--teaching, solving a complex research problem--that they found reasonably rewarding and that they suspected had not only current value but also some kind of future professional utility.

I also think there's a difference between hating grad school and regretting going, or at least for me there was. I hated grad school on a nearly daily basis for my first three years (and maybe every third day thereafter). But I never regretted going. For me it was the difference between liking what I was doing (which I did, though I didn't feel good at it) and liking who I was (which I didn't, because I was a miserable, self-doubting person who was infantilized by the structure of my program and my position within academia).

Obviously, I can't say for certain that I wouldn't have regretted going if I hadn't gotten an academic job. But being a grad student is a unique and awful thing. Being a professor (to respond to Paul Gowder's fourth point) is nothing like being a grad student, and thank goodness. No real-world job is, which is why I think there's not a lot of long-term regret; you retain the good bits and translate them into your current life and work, and the bad stuff fades away.

Again: this isn't an argument for staying, if one is unhappy or disgusted, and it's definitely not an argument for going. But it's an explanation for why and how people who recognize the horrors and real costs of grad school can still refuse to call it a waste of time or a reason for regret.

Tim said...

I just spoke to a UChicago history PhD who works for Homeland Security in DC, and she told me the professors discourage the students from seeking non-academic employment. That is insane, even supposing a better job market.

MSI, Joseph Epstein recalled that during his Chicago days there were only four occupations that were looked upon as worthy of human beings: (1) to be an artist; (2) to be a scientist (and not a banal physician but a research scientist); (3) to be a statesman (not a politician, mind: a "statesman"); and (4 - the loophole) to be a teacher of future artists, scientists and statesmen. How much does that resemble Chicago today?

Miss Self-Important said...

Arethusa: I think it's possible to see academia as in some respects a vocation (but in most respects a job), since that would still rule out academia as an avocation (ie, something universally beneficial that everyone should get a taste of, like college), and academia as a soft-walled holding pen for unemployed people. It is also worth pointing out that the vocation at issue is possible to pursue outside of a university.

Flavia: But why, if no one ever regrets grad school, should anyone ever leave, even if he's miserable in it? You're effectively saying that, in addition to everyone benefiting from coming in, everyone will benefit from staying on. In fact, they will benefit from staying on than they might benefit from dropping out, since the non-regret only arises after completion, whereas dropping out may still engender regret.

I don't agree with Pannapacker's view that grad school is never worth it because you can't possibly get a job (or whatever he says about independent wealth--not applicable to funded programs), but I do agree that it's not worth it if you don't get a job. And I think this argument is important for academics to make, over and over again, no matter how much it runs against their knee-jerk love of "learning for its own sake" and stuff like that. It is not good for graduate programs to become places where people go to do whatever they feel rewarded by for a few years before they move on to something else. If they don't experience subjective feelings of regret about such experiences, then perhaps it's b/c we're according way too much status to the mere possession of a PhD than it's worth, and this inflates their own sense of its (and their graduate experience's) value.

Miss Self-Important said...

Tim: I'm not sure what you mean by discouragement. I would be surprised if any professor discouraged people who can't find an academic job from obtaining other employment and preferred for them to panhandle at 57th and Ellis or something. But I don't really see the problem with institutionally discouraging non-academic jobs by not offering training or preparation for them. Why is that wrong?

Paul Gowder said...

How about we consider the precise opposite of the solution. Rather than making grad school even more narrowly profession-oriented, why not make it possible for people to actually pursue alternate/preexisting careers AND grad school?

(By "grad school" here, I mean programs that make one a serious candidate for the academic job market, i.e., the sorts of programs that places like Stanford and Harvard run.)

I'm not talking about creating formal night programs and the like. I'm talking about doing things like not actually prohibiting outside employment, allowing requirements to be spread over a longer period of time, etc.

That seems to solve many of the opportunity cost problems of grad school, such that those who want to try for the professor jobs can do so without giving up their next best options.

(My model for this is how many people become professional artists of various sorts -- they keep their day jobs, and do the painting, the nightclub gigs, the community theatre, the first novel, whatever, at night. This is a conventional way of pursuing highly desirable and highly competitive jobs without ruining your alternatives.)

Phoebe said...

MSI,

First, I'm going to repeat the question I asked in the thread you link to: why, if it's such a terrible idea, did you go?

Next, your description of the pro-grad-school (or rather, anti-anti-grad-school-for-those-who-were-in-fact-considering-it, as per Paul's first comment) stance strikes me as far off, certainly far from what I was arguing, and since it's my post you're linking to, forgive me for assuming you're at least in part attempting to paraphrase my argument. You do eventually mention, I see, that you're exaggerating, but it goes well beyond that - you're writing against something only a fool would express, and not addressing what I or my commenters actually did express. The idea that grad school is a calling, that it's about passion, that it's more noble than finance or a 9-5, that it's about self-fulfillment, "airy ideals," all this mushy stuff, this is most definitely not coming from me, or from my commenters, and frankly I'm not sure where it's coming from. I mean, I've even argued against having these romantic ideas about grad school. The people who enter with those notions are precisely the ones who can't deal when, at the other end, their best bet is teaching high school.

What I was doing was writing in practical terms about options. If you're a humanities-oriented college senior, and you have the option of getting paid and having health insurance to do what interests you, you ought to have some compelling alternatives if you're going to turn that down. As came up in the comments to my post, if you do have a great real-world job, one where you interact with smart people and do interesting work, if work that's less self-directed, at least at the lower levels, than humanities grad school, then yeah, perhaps you have reason to think twice, and perhaps you're in a position to talk about what a crappy life decision it is to go to grad school. Same goes if Yale admitted you to its law school and English dept. and you have to pick just one.

If, however, you didn't wisely opt to double-major in engineering, and if you didn't happen to land even one of those plum entry-level writing jobs that pay $10k a year in an expensive city and where everyone's discreetly supported by rich parents (let alone one of the three that pays decently), if it's grad school vs. Monster.com, then it's another story. This is not about preferring a "life of the mind" to spreadsheets. (And don't we use spreadsheets for grading?) It's about the difference between a non-renewable five-year job contract (as in, five years during which, unless you really screw up, you'll get paid and not laid off) doing something you enjoy, versus whichever mix of parents'-basement and whatever's-hiring you can come up with.

My point was hardly that grad school has no drawbacks. It's that if you're going to say it's worse, it has to be worse than some alternative. There's no guarantee that entering the bottom rung of journalism or publishing - tough enough as it is - will even get you to the middle rung of that profession. There's no guarantee that going to a so-so law school rather than a top grad program won't lead to crushing debt. It's not that I think grad school's a better idea (by that much) than you do, it's that I think you need to look at the whole picture, at what options people really have otherwise.

(cont.)

Phoebe said...

Now, the part where I agree. (I agree with a lot of what you say here, just not with how you've categorized my earlier argument!) I agree that it doesn't make sense to go to grad school unless your Plan A is to be a prof, even if, as the field currently exists, one needs to have alternatives in mind. I also think that there needs to be more transparency and, well, bluntness about the fact that grad school is professional training, or else it will start to look awfully ridiculous to pay people for five years of humanities, during which they teach 2-4 semesters total, and - like Paul says - use the gym equipment. This could mean only admitting as many people as could reasonably be expected to get jobs, either by decreasing the size of individual departments across the board, eliminating mid-to-low-ranked departments, or a two-track system, in which everyone paying for a doctorate is well aware that they're dabbling and not getting a professional degree. Or it could mean channelling some PhD students into fields outside academia. The advantage to the latter approach is that it's not going to be clear from day one which matriculating students are cut out to (or actually want to) be profs. Things shift once the teaching requirement arrives, once dissertation time begins and people get to see what research is really like, etc. Rather than asking that those who realize they're unlikely to be profs drop out whenever that realization occurs (which many do, regardless), grad schools could offer advice/expedited certification in library/secondary-ed/think-tank/etc. routes.

Anyway, I think the problem is the attitude of departments themselves, which often (although I've been lucky, for the most part) do think of their students as dabblers from wealthy families, or at least as devotees of the "life of the mind" who'll be totally OK with low wages and no job prospects at the other end. It's kind of taboo to make reference to such things as the need to pay rent during grad school, or the possibility that one will go into a line of work outside academia after, if that's what's needed to be with one's family or to... pay rent/own a home. I don't think profs themselves necessarily agree on whether grad school is finishing school or professional training. What would be ideal, and what kind of exists but needs to expand, would be more clarity in terms of which routes are finishing school/"life of the mind for its own sake," and which are viable and funded forms of professional training. What's to be avoided are situations where people sign up for what they think is the latter, only to discover that it's the former.

Phoebe said...

Seem to have lost two long comments...

Miss Self-Important said...

No, they're in my email. From Phoebe:


MSI,

First, I'm going to repeat the question I asked in the thread you link to: why, if it's such a terrible idea, did you go?

Next, your description of the pro-grad-school (or rather, anti-anti-grad-school-for-those-who-were-in-fact-considering-it, as per Paul's first comment) stance strikes me as far off, certainly far from what I was arguing, and since it's my post you're linking to, forgive me for assuming you're at least in part attempting to paraphrase my argument. You do eventually mention, I see, that you're exaggerating, but it goes well beyond that - you're writing against something only a fool would express, and not addressing what I or my commenters actually did express. The idea that grad school is a calling, that it's about passion, that it's more noble than finance or a 9-5, that it's about self-fulfillment, "airy ideals," all this mushy stuff, this is most definitely not coming from me, or from my commenters, and frankly I'm not sure where it's coming from. I mean, I've even argued against having these romantic ideas about grad school. The people who enter with those notions are precisely the ones who can't deal when, at the other end, their best bet is teaching high school.

What I was doing was writing in practical terms about options. If you're a humanities-oriented college senior, and you have the option of getting paid and having health insurance to do what interests you, you ought to have some compelling alternatives if you're going to turn that down. As came up in the comments to my post, if you do have a great real-world job, one where you interact with smart people and do interesting work, if work that's less self-directed, at least at the lower levels, than humanities grad school, then yeah, perhaps you have reason to think twice, and perhaps you're in a position to talk about what a crappy life decision it is to go to grad school. Same goes if Yale admitted you to its law school and English dept. and you have to pick just one.

If, however, you didn't wisely opt to double-major in engineering, and if you didn't happen to land even one of those plum entry-level writing jobs that pay $10k a year in an expensive city and where everyone's discreetly supported by rich parents (let alone one of the three that pays decently), if it's grad school vs. Monster.com, then it's another story. This is not about preferring a "life of the mind" to spreadsheets. (And don't we use spreadsheets for grading?) It's about the difference between a non-renewable five-year job contract (as in, five years during which, unless you really screw up, you'll get paid and not laid off) doing something you enjoy, versus whichever mix of parents'-basement and whatever's-hiring you can come up with.

My point was hardly that grad school has no drawbacks. It's that if you're going to say it's worse, it has to be worse than some alternative. There's no guarantee that entering the bottom rung of journalism or publishing - tough enough as it is - will even get you to the middle rung of that profession. There's no guarantee that going to a so-so law school rather than a top grad program won't lead to crushing debt. It's not that I think grad school's a better idea (by that much) than you do, it's that I think you need to look at the whole picture, at what options people really have otherwise.

(cont.)

Miss Self-Important said...

Now, the part where I agree. (I agree with a lot of what you say here, just not with how you've categorized my earlier argument!) I agree that it doesn't make sense to go to grad school unless your Plan A is to be a prof, even if, as the field currently exists, one needs to have alternatives in mind. I also think that there needs to be more transparency and, well, bluntness about the fact that grad school is professional training, or else it will start to look awfully ridiculous to pay people for five years of humanities, during which they teach 2-4 semesters total, and - like Paul says - use the gym equipment. This could mean only admitting as many people as could reasonably be expected to get jobs, either by decreasing the size of individual departments across the board, eliminating mid-to-low-ranked departments, or a two-track system, in which everyone paying for a doctorate is well aware that they're dabbling and not getting a professional degree. Or it could mean channelling some PhD students into fields outside academia. The advantage to the latter approach is that it's not going to be clear from day one which matriculating students are cut out to (or actually want to) be profs. Things shift once the teaching requirement arrives, once dissertation time begins and people get to see what research is really like, etc. Rather than asking that those who realize they're unlikely to be profs drop out whenever that realization occurs (which many do, regardless), grad schools could offer advice/expedited certification in library/secondary-ed/think-tank/etc. routes.

Anyway, I think the problem is the attitude of departments themselves, which often (although I've been lucky, for the most part) do think of their students as dabblers from wealthy families, or at least as devotees of the "life of the mind" who'll be totally OK with low wages and no job prospects at the other end. It's kind of taboo to make reference to such things as the need to pay rent during grad school, or the possibility that one will go into a line of work outside academia after, if that's what's needed to be with one's family or to... pay rent/own a home. I don't think profs themselves necessarily agree on whether grad school is finishing school or professional training. What would be ideal, and what kind of exists but needs to expand, would be more clarity in terms of which routes are finishing school/"life of the mind for its own sake," and which are viable and funded forms of professional training. What's to be avoided are situations where people sign up for what they think is the latter, only to discover that it's the former.

CW said...

After reading Paul Gowder's comments, I'm a little less interested in contributing to my alma mater or supporting my state's public universities. I'm happy to support research and scholarship, professional training (including the training of future professors), and liberal arts education. However, I'm not interested in subsidizing Mr. Gowder's exercise regime or the theater/dance classes he takes for fun and general self-improvement.

Phoebe said...

MSI,

Thanks.

CW,

I think this gets at an important distinction we should be making, namely between whether or not prospective grad students should go ahead with it, and whether universities should be funding grad school as it currently exists. If you think you're getting a good deal from your employer, and you choose a job in part because of its perks, you're just behaving rationally. I don't see how grad school is any different from other work the perspective of the grad student. It's for the university to decide if what it gets from grad students (a new generation of profs or, as the cynical don't-go genre likes to repeat, a caste of low-paid instructors) makes it worthwhile.

Also, to tie this into my comments so large that blogger half-ate them above, I think the don't-go argument is far less persuasive than the entire-system-needs-reform one.

Flavia said...

Re: why ever leave?

Anyone who wants to leave should certainly leave (and I do have a few friends who left and who are all leading happy and fulfilled lives). I'm simply saying that of the people I know who stayed, none of them regret it--that doesn't imply that there aren't valid reasons to leave.

There are lots of reason people go to grad school, good and bad, but if you feel your reasons were bad or that you were misled, by all means, cut your losses. My question to unhappy grad students wouldn't be "why leave?" but "why stay?" However, if a person has elected to stay, I'm going to assume it's for some better reason than fear and inertia, and that she's done some kind of cost/benefit analysis and concluded that there's something worthwhile there--whether because she's deriving satisfaction from her work, because she believes the degree is intrinsically worthwhile, because she thinks she's receiving some kind of useful training or education, or because she's decided that, whatever the risks might be of staying, she wouldn't be economically, professionally, or personally better off than she is now.

The calculus is likely to be different for each person, and that's as it should be; what counts as a rational decision for one person may not be for another. But given the current state of the job market, I have a hard time understanding why someone who is unhappy AND who believes that PhD training is a complete and total waste unless she gets a professorial job would stay.

Joe said...

I offer this comment for the sole purpose of subscribing to future comments.

Joe said...

and even at that, I fail

Paul Gowder said...

I find it just amazing that my remark about dance classes and gym equipment is drawing so much heat -- if we think of grad school as paid training for the professorate, surely "employers" who offer paid training can also offer fringe benefits to further induce people to join up, and surely "employees" are not blamable for using them. CW, you might find your tax-protestor snideness slipping away a little if you think of the situation that way. (Then again, maybe not; in my experience tax-protestor snideness tends to be remarkably resistant to reasoning.)

Paul Gowder said...

(noting, incidentally, to anticipate CW's next objection, that it's perfectly plausible to think of the schools at a given level as exchanging paid training for one another's workforces -- school A trains people to work at school B, while school B trains people to work at school A, etc. -- and if we imagine it this way, then it's no problem that any given school doesn't pay to train people to work at itself.)

Paul Gowder said...

Also -- from the student's perspective, for heaven's sake, what's wrong with a little gamble?

All kinds of professional training are gambles, with no guarantee of a job at the end. Some kinds of professional training are much less risky than the kind that produces academics, thanks to market conditions (nursing school comes to mind), but others are much more risky (theatre/music conservatory comes to mind). Many of the riskier kinds of professional training come with lower opportunity costs (conservatory doesn't take 6+ years), but they also don't come with stipends, my beloved fringe benefits, etc.

So why isn't there all this weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth about Julliard?

I really just want to make an argumentum ad Hayekum here. Gimme a story of market failure, or I'll assume it's rational for the various schools to offer these training programs on the terms offered, and rational for students to take them.

Miss Self-Important said...

Paul I: That already exists at many lower-ranked or poorer schools that don't fund students well or at all. Other than putting more PhD students into the jobs pipeline without expanding the number of jobs at the end, I'm not sure what it would or ought to accomplish. Nonetheless, I have a better idea: "America's Next Top Professor." People with other jobs can compete to write articles and serve as conference discussants in front of a panel of--what shall we call them--"peer reviewers." The winners get immediate tenure. If we're going to re-make scholarship on the model of the music and film industries, let's do it right.

Flavia: It sounds like everyone you know is happy, regardless of their circumstances or life histories. That's great, but offers nothing in the way of advice for people making decisions. It's like when people are choosing b/w several comparably good schools and are told, "You can't go wrong with these options." Fair enough, but not a guide for choice.

Joe: I don;t have that option, sorry. You will have to check back manually.

Miss Self-Important said...

Phoebe: I was referring to the ideas offered in the entire comment thread, not just the ones you advanced. I thought it would be pedantic to list them in the post (as if it's not already long-winded enough), but here they are:

"One of the unspoken assumptions behind Pannapacker's pieces (and similar from similar) is that Graduate School is a means to an end, rather than an end in itself...If one takes the view that life is a series of experiences and that Graduate School is an interesting, challenging and enjoyable experience in itself, then there's no reason not to go if you can afford it (and if the School is going to pay, then you can afford it)"
"Also, if I end up a high school teacher with a PhD, I'd be happy that I got the chance to get the PhD"
"PhD training is worthwhile personal and professional training even for those who don't choose to or are unable to stay in academia"

These all suggest the view that graduate training is a self-enhancing opportunity for which one ought to be grateful regardless of the end it's ostensibly directed towards. Because the humanities include many of the liberal arts, and these are thought to be simply good for you to study, the connection between a PhD in these fields and general self-improvement seems more intuitive than between self-improvement and other pre-professional programs--say, law or med school. There are many full scholarships available to law schools (and I'd imagine there must be some for med school as well), but there doesn't seem to be a reigning idea that if you're able to score one of these, you ought to enroll in those programs b/c they're great opportunities for personal growth regardless of your interest in actually practicing law or medicine. But I think this view is as dangerous with respect to graduate training as if we started touting med school as the place to pursue one's passions. Among the other dangers of this attitude I mention, it actually makes the reforms you propose--fewer admits, fewer programs, more transparency--more difficult to enact b/c it lets grad programs off the hook when they fail to place the majority of graduates in academic jobs. What's the big deal, after all, if all these people are still personally benefited by the experience of grad school and have no regrets afterwards as high school teachers or NGO workers? Graduate programs have nothing to worry about in that case.

Miss Self-Important said...

(cont.)

I realize that your personal view is more cost-benefit and less self-enhancement mumbo-jumbo, but my objection remains what I posted at your blog--you take too dim a view of the job market based on your own experience with it, and this view leaves you in a position where there can be no objections to grad school except cost, even if that's not the argument you set out to make. You start by saying that grad school is a good practical alternative for those who seriously would like to have real-world jobs but are unemployed or unsatisfactorily employed, but you've already tilted the field in favor of grad school, so that you end up in a position where no job can be as interesting or worthwhile as grad school, at least for a subset of mathematically-untrained college grads. If we start here: If you're a humanities-oriented college senior, and you have the option of getting paid and having health insurance to do what interests you, you ought to have some compelling alternatives if you're going to turn that down. As came up in the comments to my post, if you do have a great real-world job, one where you interact with smart people and do interesting work.... In this formulation, grad school is the natural default for all humanities-oriented people, while a job is some kind of exception for the few (lucky, well-connected, uber-qualified, etc). But that's not a real scenario if we're talking about someone who seriously wants a job, and not someone who just wants to say the job market is tough to justify his pre-existing preference for grad school. A college senior who already has a grad school acceptance but not yet a job has to choose between short-term security and short-term insecurity, so of course he should choose the former. But that's not fair, since finding a job takes time after college, whereas the grad school offer can happen in college. So let's even the playing field for jobs vs. grad school. Let's say that you don't apply to grad school and instead go out and look for a job. How long should you look before you decide to fall back on the 5-yr security guarantee of grad school? How many unsatisfying jobs should you hold? Basically, is there any principle by which you would determine that the entire labor market has failed you, and "I'm done with the real world and want a five-year (but hopefully longer) academic hiatus instead"? And should grad school be Plan B, or C, or D? Why not, if what you're after is financial security, "I'm done with the real world and want to be a plumber instead?"

Miss Self-Important said...

(cont. 2)

In your scenario, grad school is the immediate go-to solution for unemployment or job dissatisfaction, and this suggests to me that you're not really weighing the two options--working vs. grad school--as equally as you claim. The working world is varied, and if the two options were really equally weighted, someone who hates his job at a nonprofit should consider switching to another field as seriously as going to grad school, since both could offer financial and intellectual perks. But in your calculus, for some reason, he doesn't. Because he doesn't have a math background or some other technical prerequisite, he concludes that the labor market is either closed to him or has only dull or insufficiently high-paying options for him. Grad school turns out to be a surefire solution to dissatisfaction with the work and colleagues a humanities-oriented person inevitably encounter in the real world (except again, the inexplicably lucky few). Ergo, for the subset people who can't get the kinds of jobs requiring quant skills, there is almost nothing as interesting or worthwhile as academia. This is reinforced by your subsequent claim that, even if you don't get an academic job, the time in grad school is still a secure hiatus from the boring or low-paying jobs that your humanities-orientation condemns you to. This suggests that grad school is good for you, since it's evidently not good for your career. Your formulation of the "good for you" part is less moralizing than the ones that are based on vague theories of self-actualization--you seem to mean only that it's good as a respite from drudgery. Still, is that what you want to mean?

Miss Self-Important said...

(cont. 3--sigh)

I'm not accusing you of holding this as some kind of moral principle b/c you actually believe that all other jobs are intellectually beneath you and full of idiots, while professors are morally superior b/c they are "workers of the mind" (a great marxist insight, no?); I'm just trying to show how your premature gloom about the job market leads to a dismissal of everything but grad school nearly out of hand as offering an insufficient combination of short-term security/remuneration/interest for the hapless humanities-oriented soul, who can't get no respect in our number-obsessed world. Personally, I think that if you'd looked longer for a journalism job, you'd not only have gotten one, but you'd also be quite successful at it by now. But then, I also think (according to my crystal ball) you'll be a journalist eventually anyway, so your abortive initial attempt to enter the field won't matter much in the long run. So when you say, "My point was hardly that grad school has no drawbacks. It's that if you're going to say it's worse, it has to be worse than some alternative," it sounds like all you concede is that all the options are actually bad, and grad school is the least of evils, which is effectively the same as saying that it's the best of the options.

I also am not arguing that grad school is the worst choice EVAH and no one should go. I only want to avoid this particular rhetoric promoting grad school as a route to self-actualization or the only place for a thinking person in our society to be. I still think some people should go to grad school and should even be encouraged to do so. But I think that in general there is already too much conflation of education and education's benefits with universities in our culture, and we should try to counter it as much as possible so that we don't find ourselves in a situation where, for example, poets and novelists need faculty appointments to be legit.

Miss Self-Important said...

Paul II: I don't think the gyms at Stanford were exactly conceived as ways to lure the brightest grad student "employees"; they're mostly to lure the paying clientele. So not sure that analogy will work. Also, I don't mind about the gambling aspect. I accept that there is no such thing as job security. My beef is with the opposite--the effort to obscure the risk by suggesting that, no matter the outcome, you will be a better person for having gotten that PhD, so don't consider it a gamble.

Miss Self-Important said...

And, finally, I went to grad school to develop this idea about postmodern babies I had into a book and then teach college. I also had lots of airy-fairy visions of the life of the mind, but have since discovered that the life of my mind was actually somewhat livelier in Washington than here. Oh well.

Phoebe said...

MSI,

You're right that I'm not discussing work and grad school as options that are equal in the college senior's mind until proven otherwise, wrong that I was intending to do so. I am talking about people sufficiently excited about going to grad school as to have managed all that it takes to get into a good one. That's who I'm talking about, because it's clear enough (if not as clear as it should be) that people who aren't that interested in going to grad school or haven't gotten into a good one shouldn't go into debt for a professional degree that doesn't promise anything even under the best of circumstances. By presenting arguments as 'don't go' without elaboration, Pannapacker and the rest seem to be addressing (among others, b/c imprecise) people who want to and can go to good grad schools, but who want to know if anyone in the chapel has objections to this life decision. My point isn't that humanities-ish jobs are non-existent (although I do think your view of journalism is as rosy as mine is bleak), but that telling people who are already all but enrolled that they should enter/stay in the "real world" where things will be better.

Another thing to consider: whether or not a bleak outlook on the job market is objectively accurate, it can be conducive to making a real go of it once in grad school, for overlooking the negatives. If you feel as though there's better out there, precisely the same grad school experience will feel quite different.

"And, finally, I went to grad school to develop this idea about postmodern babies I had into a book and then teach college."

See, I also went to grad school because of some kind of specific ideas - having to do with 19th-C French Jews, believe it or not - and then, after some grad coursework, ended up staying in grad school enthusiastically because I want to write a book about 19th C French Jews that I'm still kind of shocked hasn't been written. Why, then, does this notion never come up in the don't-go articles - i.e. that maybe if you don't have some question grad school would permit you to solve, or at least have just about honed in on one, the process will be painful and you may well feel as though you've lost five-plus years? I mean, at least you get to write your postmodern baby book, whether or not you ultimately teach college, right? If I were to write a don't-go, it would be that it's a terrible idea to go to grad school if you consider paper-writing a chore. Yet strangely enough, people do just that.

Phoebe said...

*but that telling people who are already all but enrolled that they should enter/stay in the "real world" where things will be better is a mistake.

Joe said...

Oh no I'm subscribed, I just didn't get it right the first time.

Someone needs to turn this comment thread into a dissertation. That would be so meta.

CW said...

Paul, I don't think I have shown myself immune to reason, but I guess you will have to judge for yourself. I have no objection to individual Ph.D. students taking advantage of whatever benefits their employers offer. I do that with my employer.

Your discussion of those benefits suggested, however, that they are one factor that make entering a program less of a risk. That is, students need not worry as much about their chances of eventually getting an academic position because at least their years in the program will be fun and rewarding. While that might be an appropriate way for individual applicants to think, I think the perceived lack of opportunity cost that your comment suggests could be a factor distorting the market and helping to create an over-supply of grad students.

Also, to get back to my original point, I'm happy to support scholarship, reasearch, and learning, and training, especially in areas that are not practical (or immediately practical) through my taxes and charitable giving. However, to the extent grad programs are a way for 20 somethings to explore the life of the mind and get fit, they are not as deserving of support. If those are incidental benefits stemming from programs that futher the basic purposes of the university, that's fine, but your comment suggested something more.

Anonymous said...

Your blog was recommended to me by a friend who reads it fairly consistently. Reading it for the first time today, I was struck by how your comments reflect Pierre Bourdieu's 1984 classic "Distinction..."
There, he predicted (what he terms as) the advent of degree inflation, and how different socio-economic classes differentiate themselves from one another via conceptions of taste.
What no one seems to honestly admit (because the commentary comes mainly from articulate students at universities: leaning left for good reasons) is that wealthy people find fulfillment (as is what is most likely to be the case) by buying cars, or buying art, or building architecturally unique homes, and thereby distinguish themselves by these expressions of their taste. This so-called "financial capital" is pretty much consistently at odds with the so-called "cultural capital" derived by attending elite universities. The "cultural capital" types build mounds of degrees, while the wealthy purchase more sports cars, as indicators of taste -- at least as Bourdieu would think of it.
What I take from discussions such as the proliferation of graduate education is the sheer decadence of it -- no different than the decadence of the wealthy. Note that I did not say "bad taste" of the wealthy who purchase 10 sports cars, or, if I were to say that, I would then add just as quickly the "bad taste" of academe in creating 1000 different types of MA programs.
The U.S. is a country that has become gaudy. Yet we should celebrate this as if we were in Barcelona itself. To wax broadly so as to finish quickly, Homo sapiens is both a silly and grand species that has specialized in, on the individual atomic level, upstaging each other. The only way to do this is by elevating the life of the mind to grandiose levels, or elevating the life of financial success to grandiose levels: and both are Rococo ways of living one's life. The rest is just talking mouths jockeying for position in the same gaudy game. So, you went to Princeton, or, your mommy is CEO of "ABC" company: good for you, let it all spill over, let's have 250 million people with MAs to match this 13 trillion dollar economy. How else does anyone think it's going to go, really?

Miss Self-Important said...

Phoebe: Whether or not a bleak outlook on the job market is objectively accurate, it can be conducive to making a real go of it once in grad school

Well yeah, but you can convince yourself of a lot of things to justify the decision after you've made it. You can tell yourself all the jobs available are boring or heinous if that motivates you to work harder in grad school. Or that all the people who work in them are blowhards and the really pure and admirable souls are your fellow grad students. But that doesn't demonstrate that you've actually made a good choice.

I do think that for many people who get into top programs, there is a real choice between good jobs and good schools. In my department, in addition to the people straight out of college, people come out of consulting jobs and high school teaching and high-level nonprofit work. Some of the higher-paid jobs are more representative of the social science end of the discipline (they do statistics), but the point is, they are not junior versions of absentminded professors who can't tie their own shoes, so they do have good alternatives.

Even if such people are all-but-enrolled, I don't see why it's a mistake to try to persuade them otherwise. Unless you're saying they're not really persuadable, and that everyone who wants to and can go to a good program basically will go. If that's the case, all the more reason to fight the moralistic rhetoric--top grad schools will get the students they want no matter what and the students who should be in grad school will go no matter what, so let's do our part to resist the higher ed takeover of culture while we can by not reinforcing notions about the moral superiority of university credentials or illusions about what academic research consists of.

Anonymous: I actually looked up the etymology of gaudy to see whether it had a connection to the architect, but no, just a pun. Ok, so the proliferation of higher ed is decadence--is that incompatible with some survival of the old mission of the university, or is all "higher learning" an ironic kind of signaling now?

jon k said...

Grad students are one of the most exploited sections of the US working class, especially in the humanities; they produce value for universities through teaching and help loan providers create a potentially profitable commodity in the form of financial instruments derived from their debt. Transitioning to having grad students do most of the teaching has permitted universities to drastically drive down costs per student--at the same time that undergraduate tuition rises skyward, driven by student loans--and engage in huge capital outlay projects in anticipation of future customer/students. Higher education (even public education in bankrupt states like california) was one of the few sectors in the US economy that saw increases in outlay in 2008-2009. One would think this dynamic would help the job market, and it has to some extent, but as it's far cheaper to "hire" new graduate students at $11,000/year (or cheaper still, subsidized by credit), so the rate of increase of the number of grad students is higher than the rate of increase of faculty positions (something that already was the case before '08-- throw in the net decrease in professorships in '08, largely a "shock doctrine" "just-because-we-can" phenomenon due to administrations being unwilling to reallocate capital outlays to maintain existing positions amidst endowment shrinkage). The acceleration and deepening of this dynamic, attended and stoked by a shift toward MBA-style university administration, has produced a debt bubble second only to China's real estate bubble. US student debt (combined grad/undergrad) surpassed credit card debt in May '11. This is all, of course, completely unsustainable, unless a new engine for growth in the global economy is found within the next couple of years sufficient to produce a broader bubble sufficient to disguise this one, as the lack of jobs means no one will be able to cover the interest once they graduate.

(Also, add in that it's legally impossible to default on most kinds of student debt; and then add in that the debt deal just passed "saves" Pell grants by starting the compounding on loans for some kinds of graduate degrees before the debtors finish their programs.)

Congress has been unwilling and unable to take (real) steps to remedy the situation (there were some defanged reforms in '04, i think?), due to the size and influence of the student loan lobby, instead slackening the leash as loan corporations find clever ways to hide the unsustainability of their business model through further securitization of their securities. Today's drop in the Dow points toward one way that might get resolved. The curious thing we run up against in thinking through how this might unfold is that the non-debate in Washington has produced a situation in which a 'bailout' to the student loan industry sufficient to stabilize it in the event of a collapse is increasingly unlikely. That's one of several possible pathways to a much more serious double-dip, though there are any number of countervailing factors [...]

Jon K said...

[...]
Amidst all of this, it's not surprising to find that arguments for why graduate school makes sense are taking on more and more of a delusional character. Especially when you consider the contribution to the mix of ideas out there made by the "marketing" that departments have to produce in order to convince anyone to jump in (i.e. the arguments tenured profs and non-disillusioned candidates make to new admittees when they're flown in all-expenses-paid for department tours). Not that different from the admissions office you used to work in, just one step more removed from the marketing department of a small business (though this too is changing with the MBAification of university administration).

The one thing I'll say about grad school that's perhaps somewhat salutatory: it's an interesting place to go to meet people who are becoming conscious of these developments in a practical sort of way.

Hope you're well...

Jon

Dale said...

"Nobody's saying that people who are perfectly happy in the real world should quit their jobs and go to grad school.
Who is perfectly happy? There are a lot of imperfectly happy people in the real world, and why shouldn't they go to grad school if they can? They can pursue interests and take dance classes, which is more difficult and certainly more expensive in their present situations."

Agreed. As an imperfectly happy person who loves being in school but who has a "real world" job that is relatively satisfactory but unsurisingly does not fulfill me in every way, I'm constantly battling the urge to go to grad school just for a whole host of reasons, none of which have to do with being a professor. There IS social pressure for grad school if you're a reasonably smart young person with educated peers, pressure which is hard for achievement-driven twenty-somethings who aren't getting regular feedback about how smart and hardworking they are from their bosses and friends.

Miss Self-Important said...

Jon: Debt doesn't quite apply in this case--we're talking about funded PhD programs, but it's nice that I can tell people I'm part of the working class regardless. Debt is, however, the only (sometimes) persuasive argument against grad school.

Dale: I think you're smart and hardworking. Don't go to grad school to prove this. It probably won't alleviate the imperfections in your imperfect happiness. There is very little feedback in grad school for one thing--everyone gets A's on everything and there are no comments on papers. Moreover, the papers and the feedback don't matter at all; the only thing that matters is writing a good dissertation and publishing it, which you will do on your own without all that much positive feedback. I don't think that the opportunity to take dance classes (which most employed people already have) is going to outweigh the highly imperfect happiness that this extensive exercise will engender, especially if you're not interested in academia and just want to show your peers that you're hardworking and smart. I think this would be demonstrated as well or better by writing a novel.

Also, by this measure, everyone who is reasonably smart ought to have a PhD, or he's not really smart at all. Only formal certification according to a set of highly specific vocational requirements (can you pass a graduate stats course?) can legitimate intelligence (and more certification=more intelligence), even if that certification has nothing to do with anything you will spend your time doing afterwards. That seems like a pretty bizarre conclusion.

Dale said...

Sing it, sister.